It's not possible to WEEN yourself off of it...just fucking QUIT.

[triphop_femme]

Don't cry to me your bullshit. And don't even try to sound the sanest you've ever sounded. ESPECIALLY when you're fucked up. Epecially fucked up on THAT. And please, don't "ask for my help", or ask me to come over or to come get you, when all you really wanted was another fucking line. And when five minutes turns into 30-40, get a new fucking watch, buddy. 'Cos the one you got apparently is a piece of shit. And you better be glad it's that time of the month. 'Cos if i found myself crying over you any other day, i would put a fucking bullet through my mind, like you say you would do to anyone on anything "harsher". Well, don't go too far with those lies. Sadly enough, you may not be down on their level, but you're only one step above them. And that's millions of miles below where i'm standing. And i don't mean to be so harsh. But when you fucking start to care about someone, be it a friend, fuck buddy, boyfriend, girlfriend...whatever...you TELL THEM WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND. Basically, you tell them the fucking truth.

i'm so frustrated with you right now, but all i want to do is crawl in bed with you and wait it out.

ps. i hate you.

[Guy]

hmmm........hmmmmm.....hmmmmmmmm


something wrong?

[triphop_femme]

Shut the fuck up. i mean that in the nicest way possible. *half assed grinz* Okay. i take it back..don't shut the fuck up...just...













...arg.

[Guy]

its cool, i may not understand the situation completely, but I've been there (not personally, but with friends).....i talked and talked and talked to them, and then i cut them off, i cut their asses off completely. The wrong thing to do yes, but it just wasn't even worth it anymore regarding the situation. They have to realize what they are doing, they have to realize what sort of retards they are being. This person did, and is realising this, and it'll take a while, but maybe just maybe will make a turnaround on their life. And trust me he was much much harsher than anyone else.

[triphop_femme]

Random question, i know...this goes to anyone who wants to answer it..but. If you lie once, are you or are you not, even for that one moment, a liar?

[Kibler]

:(

[HellRaiza65]

yes liar

i dont know the complete situation.....but i have a good idea......ive cut several people off that i had feelings for because of choices they made. my mother has always told me that by the end of your life you will be able to count your TRUE friends on one hand.....keep your head up...no one is perfect...maybe.....he (she or it) will come around :D

[Jesse James]

For that moment it does make them a liar... Some people like to believe that once a liar, always a liar, but I'm too in to that theory... I know how you feel all too well. I had to put a few people away because of the way they want to live their lives... It hurts terribly without a doubt, but you can only do so much. My Ma tells me to stay with your friends through the best of times and the worst of times... but sometimes people drag you down too low and you just have to get away from it, you know? I'm not 100% on YOUR story, but I think I have a REALLY good idea what's going on... so I just have to say sorry... I know how you feel.

[Ellen]

and the "great deceiver" strikes again....:(



Random question, i know...this goes to anyone who wants to answer it..but. If you lie once, are you or are you not, even for that one moment, a liar?

They may very well be lying to themselves, and therefore may not even realize they are lying to you.

[Kujo]

drugs are bad mkay

[Section 8]

once a liar, always a liar. trust me.;)



off of that subject, i'm sorry that your friends are going through a bad time, i hope they're able to make it through ok & kick the habit. i'm also in a very similar situation as you are, so i know exactly how you're feeling right now.

[wetlook]

i'm sorry meg............

[Black Lotus]

They may very well be lying to themselves, and therefore may not even realize they are lying to you.
Some people, especially when they are on it for a while, become habitual liars and they believe their own lies. I try to stay away from all peoples who have problems with any kind of drugs. You can't trust them, no matter how good a freind you think they are. You will never be able to help them, unless they want to help themselves. I have lost to many friends over drugs, whether it be in the grave, or just not associating with them anymore. Whichever, it really sucks. True friends will listen and try to understand, if they don't, they were never your friends to begine with. Sad But True.

[AvB]

:(
meg you know i'm always here to talk... lets go kill this fucker

liar - i don't know... i think its more like who honest someone is... if they've only lied once to you..... then they're 95% honest. build trust.... i dunno...its just how well you know the person i guess... :shrugs:

[Jesse James]

You can't trust them, no matter how good a freind you think they are. You will never be able to help them, unless they want to help themselves. I have lost to many friends over drugs, whether it be in the grave, or just not associating with them anymore.

Word.

[xxplicitgrooves]

its cool, i may not understand the situation completely, but I've been there (not personally, but with friends).....i talked and talked and talked to them, and then i cut them off, i cut their asses off completely. The wrong thing to do yes, but it just wasn't even worth it anymore regarding the situation. They have to realize what they are doing, they have to realize what sort of retards they are being. This person did, and is realising this, and it'll take a while, but maybe just maybe will make a turnaround on their life. And trust me he was much much harsher than anyone else. thats not wrong, a person can only do, and take so much.........

[Mandy]

ive cut off ALOT of ppl over the years. some because they refused to grow up and constantly wanted money or rides and had no jobs...some because of drug problems and some other random reasons thrown in there.

after awhile of giving and giving and not getting shit back in return, you have to cut your losses. alot of my friends ive known since i was a small child and ive seen some of them grow up to be responsible adults. but some others are 26, 27 and dont have a damn thing going for them. i spot this kind of person now alot better and i tend to turn *NAY* RUN the other way when i see them coming.

sorry tho...i know it sucks, but sometimes you gotta kick those suckas to the curb

[snipersloth3]

thats not wrong, a person can only do, and take so much.........
...until they kill others or themselves...

[Mr._Bitchface]

everybody is a liar. if they do not lie to somebody else, they lie to themselves.

Random question, i know...this goes to anyone who wants to answer it..but. If you lie once, are you or are you not, even for that one moment, a liar?

[BGirl]

Some people, especially when they are on it for a while, become habitual liars and they believe their own lies. I try to stay away from all peoples who have problems with any kind of drugs. You can't trust them, no matter how good a freind you think they are. You will never be able to help them, unless they want to help themselves. I have lost to many friends over drugs, whether it be in the grave, or just not associating with them anymore. Whichever, it really sucks. True friends will listen and try to understand, if they don't, they were never your friends to begine with. Sad But True.

Amen.

[Section 8]

everybody is a liar. if they do not lie to somebody else, they lie to themselves.
bullshit.

[_scott_]

everybody is a liar. if they do not lie to somebody else, they lie to themselves.

If you subscribe to the cognitive theory of psychology, then you're absolutely right. People often lie to themselves about their appearance, intelligence, social and mental disorders, etc.

[Mr._Bitchface]

bullshit.

oh really. that means that you take absolutely EVERYTHING at face value and face value alone. if you're trying to tell me that, i've got a 'charming' little quote for you:

"Oh, what a lie!" - one of those two-headed dog things from Jim Henson's "The Labyrinth"

[Section 8]

yes i do.

honesty is the main trait i look for in someone, whether it is a friend or a girlfriend. over the past 3 months, i've lost 2 friends & a girlfriend all because they're 2 faced liars.

if someone can't be honest, i don't want them in my life.;)

[triphop_femme]

Thank you guys. i was just looking for a place to vent. i'd already spilled my words elsewhere. But here, they knew who i was talking about when they read it.

And to be honest (god like i haven't heard that line in the past few days a MILLION times), i'm not too far into this to be able to get out. i'm usually one to give people the benefit of the doubt. i know i shouldn't do this sometimes. And i usually learn.

But i will not let this person bring me down. And they know that. But they also know that, for some strange reason, i will be there if they need me. i will not help them out with thier problem, in any way. 'Cos only they can do that, weather it be for the best or the worst. But if they need someone there, i am that someone.

i may not be able to believe things that are said. But i won't accuse until i know it's true. And if it comes down to it, i will remove myself from the situation. i don't want to right now, though. i am hoping, with everything inside of me, that this will turn out for the better. And if it doesn't, well then, i just want this person to know that this small piece of my heart will feel better once i know they are.

God. And all i'm doing is contradicting what i'm saying, in my mind. Basically, if i HAVE to walk away, i will. But i DON'T want to.

And as for those who know what i'm going through, i'm sorry that you've had to feel this as well. 'Cos it DOES hurt. And for those of you who have been on the opposite end of me, and you no longer are there, I LOVE YOU. i just wish that they had the strength you all have.

i'm beginning to sound like absolutely nothing. so i'm done.

the.end

[_scott_]

yes i do.

honesty is the main trait i look for in someone, whether it is a friend or a girlfriend. over the past 3 months, i've lost 2 friends & a girlfriend all because they're 2 faced liars.

if someone can't be honest, i don't want them in my life.;)

This is not stir up any crap, but let me ask you something.

Do you want someone who can tell you that you're completely wrong about something, or someone who can love you and deal with your shit, and not argue about right and wrong when it isn't worth it?

The former is the logical way of the thinking, where right and wrong are the most important part. Everything is face value, and everything is a Boolean statement. This way of thinking is absent of love.

The latter is the emotional way of thinking. It accepts grey areas. It can handle uncertainty. It keeps friendships and relationships alive. This is the only way to love.

[triphop_femme]

Like if i were to say, do i look fat in this? And i did...you would say no, right? RIGHT??


Sorry. Trying to make myself smile. *grinz*

[Section 8]

honesty & trust is the foundation of any relationship, whether it is with a girlfriend or a "handshake friend", as you call them.

no trust = no relationship

[_scott_]

Like if i were to say, do i look fat in this? And i did...you would say no, right? RIGHT??


Sorry. Trying to make myself smile. *grinz*

That's a perfect example. If a woman asks that question, obviously she thinks she looks fat in the garment. If that's the case, you can bet your ass the man thinks so as well. But how does he respond? "Oh no honey, you look fabulous." That's comprimising honesty for the emotionally-driven relationship.

[triphop_femme]

i agree with the no trust=no relationship thing, but seriously though...do i look fat in this?

[_scott_]

honesty & trust is the foundation of any relationship, whether it is with a girlfriend or a "handshake friend", as you call them.

no trust = no relationship

Trust is the foundation of relationships. Honesty has very little to do with it. If someone lies to your face from day one and creates an entire persona for themselves without you knowing the wiser, then you're going to trust them and be their friend. You're going to trust your perception of the person.

Many families get by just fine by lying their way through conversations. Do you honestly think that a husband cares how his wife's day was? Hardly.

[LitLaur]

You can deal with someone's shit, not argue about petty things, and be honest.

However, I prefer to find out that I'm wrong from someone I love rather than someone I don't know. I'm much more likely to listen to someone I care about; therefore, I will be more likely to correct myself.

I can deal with little white lies every so often. What bothers me is when people barely know how to tell the truth.

*edit*
If I ask my boyfriend if something makes my butt look big, he'll tell me the truth. When I ask him that, the goal is to find something that doesn't make my butt look big. So I pick out 3 skirts/dresses/whatever, and he'll tell me which one makes my butt look the best. Some men want their girlfriends/wives/mistresses to look as nice as possible.

[_scott_]

You can deal with someone's shit, not argue about petty things, and be honest.

I'm using exaggerated examples to make a point.

However, I prefer to find out that I'm wrong from someone I love rather than someone I don't know. I'm much more likely to listen to someone I care about; therefore, I will be more likely to correct myself.

I can deal with little white lies every so often. What bothers me is when people barely know how to tell the truth.

You lie to yourself every day.

[Section 8]

Trust is the foundation of relationships. Honesty has very little to do with it. If someone lies to your face from day one and creates an entire persona for themselves without you knowing the wiser, then you're going to trust them and be their friend. You're going to trust your perception of the person.

until you catch them out being deceitful. like what happened between me & you, right?;)


Many families get by just fine by lying their way through conversations. Do you honestly think that a husband cares how his wife's day was? Hardly.
re-read your own sig & that explains why you wouldn't give a shit how your wife's day was.

[LitLaur]

You lie to yourself every day.
So do you.

[_scott_]

So do you.

Everyone does. I stated that earlier.

[_scott_]

until you catch them out being deceitful. like what happened between me & you, right?;)

I refuse to respond due to the shitstorm that will follow. Stop bringing that up. The point of the post had nothing to do with that.

re-read your own sig & that explains why you wouldn't give a shit how your wife's day was.

Ask any married man if he actually listens when he says "How was your day honey?" I think you ought to listen to experience on this one.

[LitLaur]

So why did you feel it necessary to state that after my post and not those of others?

Anyhow, my favorite person is on TV.

[Section 8]

I refuse to respond due to the shitstorm that will follow. Stop bringing that up. The point of the post had nothing to do with that.
actually, the post did. it had to do with trust & honesty.


it's not my fault that you're 2 faced.;)

[triphop_femme]

For what it's worth, i'm sorry i brought up the whole "liar" thing. Unless you guys get off on arguing...then by all means, go ahead? Have at it...:swords:

[_scott_]

So why did you feel it necessary to state that after my post and not those of others?

Anyhow, my favorite person is on TV.

You said it bothers you when people can't tell the truth. If you lie to yourself every day, then do you bother yourself? I thought the meaning of the statement was painfully obvious.

[_scott_]

actually, the post did. it had to do with trust & honesty.


it's not my fault that you're 2 faced.;)

It had to do with making you understand why you're blinded by your thought pattern. I was hoping to open your eyes to how you act.

And for the record, for me to be 2-faced, I'd have to actually act like I cared about you, your feelings, and your relationships to begin with. I never did such a thing. You thought I was a self-centered egomaniac from the start. So why act surprised now?

[_scott_]

For what it's worth, i'm sorry i brought up the whole "liar" thing. Unless you guys get off on arguing...then by all means, go ahead? Have at it...:swords:

I was trying to make a stimulating discussion out of this. Obviously the ideas expressed fall on deaf ears.

[Section 8]

It had to do with making you understand why you're blinded by your thought pattern. I was hoping to open your eyes to how you act.

And for the record, for me to be 2-faced, I'd have to actually act like I cared about you, your feelings, and your relationships to begin with. I never did such a thing. You thought I was a self-centered egomaniac from the start. So why act surprised now?
exactly why you're 2 faced.

make others believe they're friends with you, then stab them in the back.

[Section 8]

speaking of 2 faced backstabbers, i see Double Nil is viewing this thread right now as i type this.

hi!

[_scott_]

exactly why you're 2 faced.

make others believe they're friends with you, then stab them in the back.

What? I just said that I do the complete opposite of that. Just because I say hello to you in the halls doesn't make us friends. I made no motions to act like I was interested in anything you had to say outside of music. I DIDN'T ACT LIKE YOUR FRIEND FROM THE BEGINNING. WAKE UP.

Also, what are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to defame my character? I don't think anyone on the internet cares. Are you trying to defame Josh's character? I don't think anyone on the internet cares.

[double nil]

i see section 8 cant keep his fucking mouth shut as usual. by the way when did you guys decide to grow balls?

[Kim]

Also, what are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to defame my character? I don't think anyone on the internet cares. Are you trying to defame Josh's character? I don't think anyone on the internet cares.
Jesus Scott, don't you know the internet defines your character?? Get with the times! :rolleyes:

:p

[Section 8]

Just because I say hello to you in the halls doesn't make us friends. you forgot to include that we had numerous, numerous converstations of all sorts, not just music related. we also used to talk when i would get on aim, but not that much since i don't get on aim that often to begin with. we'd also hang out at 2wins together all the time, along with other dnb events.

but it's cool Shakedown - everyone knows what kind of a person you are, it just took me a little longer to find it out for myself.

[Mr._Bitchface]

of course not.