Jungle

[hoppy]

Can anyone recommend some good jungle? I tend to like stuff that leans towards the darker side with a good full sound.

[Proximal]

u leanin more towards dnb?

[dr00]

concord dawn, trace, matrix, klute
good luck, i love dark, twisted shit :D

[DaX]

*to add to dr00's list*

Technical Itch, Dylan, Dillinja, Future Prophecies...

let me know if you want more :p

[hoppy]

Thanks, I think that'll do me for now!


Originally posted by Proximal
u leanin more towards dnb?

Could be. Admittedly I'm still pretty new and only recently realized how similiar dnb and jungle can be when Moving Fusion went on at Electrik Mayhem, before that I thought dnb was very slow paced. What can I say, I'm a noob :rolleyes:

[dj cmr]

well aside form you being a "noob" as you say... check out anything on moving shadow, or formation records those two lables hold some of the dj's and producers that pioneered D&B....

[hoppy]

Originally posted by dj cmr
well aside form you being a "noob" as you say... check out anything on moving shadow, or formation records those two lables hold some of the dj's and producers that pioneered D&B....

will do, thanks

[jungleFLOW420]

Originally posted by DaX
*to add to dr00's list*

Technical Itch, Dylan, Dillinja, Future Prophecies...

let me know if you want more :p

dont listen to Dax he dosent know shit

here is some good jungle :

Tech Itch, Ram Trillogy, Ed Rush and Optical......and Dillinja (even tho he talks shit about the U.S. so i listen to him with spite)

ok Dax, maybe you DO know your music....wanna get together and jam sometime?..... I do a lil freestylin!!!!..... :headbang:

[DaX]

do you think you're worthy to rap over my unholy mixing skillz?!%@$#!

[jungleFLOW420]

Originally posted by DaX
do you think you're worthy to rap over my unholy mixing skillz?!%@$#!

well I don't know you tell me....usually, I spit Milli Vanilli lyrics over jungle.....are you interested in making a "Blame It On the Rain" jungle remix??????

[freakyflow]

well if you like a more jazzier side to dark stuff try out ray keith or marky or bryan gee... jumping jack frost, but if ya want the newer dark shit go wit stakka and skynet (clockwork ep ) kemal, rob data facs and b keys to state a few anyways im out

[MaXx]

If you're into the darker sound, some artists ya can check out are

Kemal/Konflict
Dom & Roland (Check out the Sound of the Future LP)
Raiden (Check out the Renegade Hardware Elements series...its SICK)
Keltech (A UK producer just coming out of the woodwork. Check out his video on www.breakbeat.co.uk)
Technical Itch (Sick ass speed amens!)
Dylan
Dillinja (Twist em Out and Three Drops KICK ASS)
Moving Fusion
RAM Trilogy
Ed Rush & Optical (the new Quarantine LP...mmm...and the ever so classic ALIEN GIRL)
Dylan (Headcharge & Spasm :headbang:)
Concord Dawn (All I have to say is...PLEASE DON'T CRY)
Bad Company
Datcyde
E-Sassin (No one fucks with SYMPTOM)

I could offer more...but I'd be on this thing all day :p

[BooLo]

Originally posted by jungleFLOW420
well I don't know you tell me....usually, I spit Milli Vanilli lyrics over jungle.....are you interested in making a "Blame It On the Rain" jungle remix??????

perfect..I'll sing tha hook... :D

[gapeach]

Adam F

[otto]

Originally posted by MaXx
If you're into the darker sound, some artists ya can check out are

Raiden (Check out the Renegade Hardware Elements series...its SICK)
Dillinja (Twist em Out and Three Drops KICK ASS)
Ed Rush & Optical (the new Quarantine LP...mmm...and the ever so classic ALIEN GIRL)
Concord Dawn (All I have to say is...PLEASE DON'T CRY)
Bad Company

I could offer more...but I'd be on this thing all day :p

raiden/jarman is definitely the man when it comes to sick/twisted/evil. dillinja's production is good, but its hit and miss...same goes with bad company. the new virus lp (goodfoot, hacksaw, 32.8, etc is gonna be rockin...). concord dawn is getting a bit played out, but check out "the sun" compilation w/ black sun empire (check them out too). bad company is another hit and miss, but torpedos, snowcats, elm street, etc are all crowd pleasers.

i would go with evol intent or mayhem locally - www.evolintent.com / www.shadow-law.com .

dkay is my favorite producer right now. anything he's touching is golden.

[Tommy]

nicky blackmarket , mc armani, goldie, photek, ltj bukem..... some good dark dnb selektaz....

late

[otto]

Originally posted by JuNgl3
nicky blackmarket , mc armani, goldie, photek, ltj bukem..... some good dark dnb selektaz....

late

nothing against your selections, but the added statement about dark dnb is hardly true. nicky b and goldie are about the only ones that i would include for 'dark dnb' and thats even questionable (both have gone too commercial for their mixing skills...which are very lacking). photek and ltj are more along the 'lighter side of dnb'. great music, just not 'dark dnb'. im sure hoppy would think this as the slower paced stuff...

edit: if you want track selection (i.e.-newer dubs), go with live sets from grooverider, andy c, or dj lee. throw in dj friction and bailey into this list as well. if purchasing a CD, bailey has a new one out (soul thunder) as does stakka & skynet (clockwork mixed) and moving fusion (start of something mixed) and andy c (world dance xprs yrslf - FULL of dubs). be on the look out for bad company's shot down on safari mixed cd (the promo for it sucked shit, but the retail release will be a greatest hits mixed cd) and the spy technologies lp mixed by paul b (VERY VERY heavy tunes from fresh talent, stateside and worldwide - DSCI4 label).

otto

[Forrest]

Originally posted by gapeach
Adam F

if your talking about adam freeland...he is hardly a jungle dj...haha

some good dark dnb selektaz....

typical junglist :rolleyes:

[otto]

Originally posted by Forrest=BreaksJunkie
if your talking about adam freeland...he is hardly a jungle dj...haha

hes talking about adam f. he has a recent retail cd you may wanna check out called drum & bass warfare vol 2 (i think).

otto

[Forrest]

well i was about to say....and jus to let yall know....i dont really like dnb...but i do like sum old jungle...very small amount tho:)

[freakyflow]

Adam F just did a track with redman that im sure you have heard on the radio by now on 107.9 called smash somthing. he also did the dirty track from christina aguleria and redman. also he regularly produces a good amount of remixes for hip hop

[dr00]

he also did a great track with MOP called stand clear, the version on andy c's world dance: xprs urslf CD is really good

and jungl3, you apparently know nothing about jungle

josh is right: junglists are so stupid

and forrest, if you don't like it, why are you reading this?

[DaX]

Originally posted by MaXx
Raiden (Check out the Renegade Hardware Elements series...its SICK)

*patiently awaits part 4, the water EP to come out* :D

[otto]

its already on Promo dax. you should be able to find. Dkay and Epsilon's Platinum is golden! same goes for Spirit's Sphinx. i'm not feeling Bulletproof+Concord Dawn's 12 Guage and i haven't listened to the other track... umm... Turtle Wax from Total Science.

otto

[Tommy]

hey jibi, i hate to say but ltj is dark and so is photek photek is a uk dark star.... so think before you speak... i know my dnb sorry brah....

[freakyflow]

tommy im sorry to say but photek is nowhere near being "dark" jungle. his shit is just like ltj nice and airy like but anyways

[otto]

i would consider LTJ to be more of a downtempo or jazzy drum n bass. im not sure what you are defining as 'dark' but i think your definition differs from everyone else on this forum. he and photek fall into the same categories in my ears...

compare drum n bass to soul music. LTJ's music is like marvin gaye's music. very sexy, slow but keeping the necessary beats to fall into the category. dark dnb (techstep, etc) would be more like gangsta rap.

LTJ is dark. haha, thats funny. well, he is a black man...

http://www.airmassive.com/bukem.gif

[djentropy]

Originally posted by Proximal
u leanin more towards dnb?


??????

"I like rock music."

"Oh, are you leaning more towards rock music?"


??????????????

Jungle and DNB are the same exact thing, anyone who told you different has no idea what they are talking about (or hangs out at Best Buy way too much).

[djentropy]

Originally posted by hoppy
Can anyone recommend some good jungle? I tend to like stuff that leans towards the darker side with a good full sound.


If you really want the dark side of the Jungle/DNB realm, I suggest going back to before "jungle" as a sub-genre of Hardcore was coined..........all the way back to 1993, for a style of Hardcore called "Darkside" or "Darkcore".

Some of the Darkside/Darkcore artists went on to the "jungle/DNB" bandwagon in 1994 (and others went to the more happier side), but before that, they made some TOTALLY wikked dark rave music.

Here, check out some of these artists, and look for anything from 1992 or 1993 from them:

Bizzy B
Peshay
Goldie
Cool Hand Flex
Fat Controller
Nasty Habits (aka Doc Scott)
4 Hero
Trip 1
Acen

and so on..........

Also, here, check out this low bitrate live mix I did of all 93 darkside stuff. The first 30min is pretty dark with a couple happier tunes thrown in for juxtaposition, then drops into TOTAL darkside craziness in the last half:

http://www.warblevx.net/djentropy/sets/NEHardcoreRadio-7-30-01-DJEntropy.mp3


Enjoy! :)

[otto]

Originally posted by djentropy
Jungle and DNB are the same exact thing, anyone who told you different has no idea what they are talking about (or hangs out at Best Buy way too much).

ian has been hanging out on DOA too long. there is a difference and if you want to fall into the little group that says music is music, then i suppose you don't see a difference in gabber and happy hardcore nor nu skool and electro breaks, correct? yes, its a shame people have to classify music genres into a billion sub-genres, but hey, someone did it and its branched off from there...if not, everything would still be called acid house.

and if someone has been hanging out at Best Buy too much, they would be calling it 'Electronic' or 'Techno'.

otto

[djentropy]

Originally posted by jibi jibi waba
ian has been hanging out on DOA too long. there is a difference and.........


LOL, I havent read DOA in almost a year.

But besides that, I DO know what I'm talking about.

If you don't believe me, here's WHY:

http://www.warblevx.net/djentropy/junglednbdnbjungle.html




JUNGLE = DNB, DNB = JUNGLE


From 1986-1989 there was ACID HOUSE in the UK. In 1989, the UK Govt cracked down on these "raves", which were usually 20,000-30,000 people in fields. Some people went to the LEGAL and MAINSTREAM side, and took house with them. The OTHER people decided to stay pure to the underground, and kept partying in illegal warehouses and break-ins, which is the foundation of OUR scene here in the US. Music-wise, they started to speed up the acid house, and put sped up hip-hop BREAKBEATS behind it. This was called HARDCORE. Hardcore and techno are the original underground RAVE MUSICS, as they formed what is now the basis of OUR scene here. Hardcore kept progressing and speeding up, and it was founded on emotions, hip-hop samples and breakbeats, hard kick drums, reggae and dancehall samples, rewinds, dubplates and MC's (influenced by the dancehall culture, way before ragga jungle), rip-offs of pop tunes, sub-bass, dark sounds, pianos, stabs, etc. By the end of 1992, there were two distinct styles forming: dark and breakbeat,and happy and stompy (4/4 or 4beat). In 1993, the dark breakbeat SPLIT OFF from hardcore, as it was fed up with some of the commercial success of tunes like Charly, Trip To Trumpton, Roobarb and Custard, etc..and was also getting pretty distinct and developing a style of its own. THIS DARK BREAKBEAT BECAME JUNGLE, (some say it took it's name from the club "Koncrete Jungle" in London, where it was played a lot), and HARDCORE kept going, and is now refferred to in the US as HAPPY HARDCORE. (It's stilled just called Hardcore in the UK, or by people who play it in the US). Jungle developed into ragga jungle in 1994, as well as Bukem's (who was playing the dark hardcore way back in 1991) style of darker, "intelligent" jungle, and also hardstep, and jump-up at the end of 1994. (hardstep and jump-up are very similiar, but not the same, hardstep refers to more hardcore based jungle, with a full time feel bassline, and jump-up was used to define certain tracks that made the listener "jump up" on the dancefloor,usually with a half-time bassline)

Ok, NOW, in *1995*, MIXMAG did an article on jungle music, and did not want to call it "jungle" for TWO REASONS:

1) The term "jungle" was racist, as in "Turn down that damn JUNGLE MUSIC!"

2) "Jungle" meant NOTHING as a name to people that knew nothing about the music, as it didn't DESCRIBE the music at all.

So, they coined the term "Drum N Bass", because it wasn't racist, and because it described jungle to the average Joe-Schmo listener: "Oh, it's music that is based on lots of drums and lots of bass! duh!" heh.

And what would happen, is that someone would walk into a record store, and say "Oh, I heard about this new music called drum n bass, can I get some?" And the knowledged record store owner would say "Oh, you want some jungle? Over there." and the person would say "Oh, thats what it's called in the scene" and the clerk would say "Yes, it's jungle, you must have read mixmag?"and the person would say "Yup, ok...now I know, cool, thanks." And they would buy some jungle.

The name Drum N Bass stuck in places like Tower, where people knew nothing about the music, and what would happen is that people wouldnt even HEAR the term jungle. And when they finally DID hear it, they assumed it was SOMETHING different...which of course, it isn't. What has happened NOW, is that those same people are in the positions of working at record stores, and they are teaching their WRONG knowledge to MORE people, and it just mulitiplies down the line.

---begin reminisce----

I still remember the first time I heard the term "drum n bass"...lol I was going to get my weekly records at this record store in Boston called Boston Beat, and the people inside were joking about it, because some Joe Schmo came into the store earlier that day and asked them for "drum n bass".....lol They were like "ALL our records have drums and bass! Well, maybe the minimal techno doesnt have a bassLINE, but everything has drums and bass! LOL!" and the guy was like "Well, I read about it in Mixmag...it's fast techno music" DRRRRR.

----end reminisce----

So yah...thats how THAT started.

[otto]

ian, you are made fun of on a daily basis on DOA. i dont honestly see how you can say that you don't go on there...

and maybe the coined term of dnb didn't mean to be anything more than what jungle was, but like it or not, its evolved into its own sub-genre of the style.

otto

[djentropy]

Originally posted by jibi jibi waba
ian, you are made fun of on a daily basis on DOA. i dont honestly see how you can say that you don't go on there...



*shrug*

Those mock those they don't understand, I really don't have time to spend trying to help those that suffer from a low comprehension of interrelated concepts, especially those fused with such hostility.

In other words, "jibi", no I don't read DOA. If they talk about me, then so be it; it is of no concern to me.



and maybe the coined term of dnb didn't mean to be anything more than what jungle was, but like it or not, its evolved into its own sub-genre of the style.



Oh yeah, is that so? So why don't you tell me the difference between the two? lol

[dr00]

jungle, as the sub-genre has evolved.... is drum and bass with lots of snares.... "rinsin sound"

and yes, there is a difference, but only to what you are refering, jungle is drum and bass, drum and bass is jungle, and jungle has evolved into a sub genre of drum and bass, meaning it's also a sub-genre of jungle.... how's that for confusing? but anyways, you're right, proxi doesn't know what he's talking about because no matter what, jungle IS drum and bass.... and drum and bass is not a sub-category of anything

[MaXx]

Listen to Entro. He knows his shit :)