View Full Version : Final Scratch?? Anyone have it... i want some input
Proximal
10-12-2002, 04:49 PM
Me and sheepy were discussin the pros and cons of final scratch... why the need for final scratch... why not just be a cd dj????
Or are you gonna be old skewl and stick to ur vinyl0rz
..:: Discus::..
Lilcow
10-12-2002, 05:37 PM
:::Sits back and waits for T.mouse to come post:::
T.mouse has Final Scratch. It is really really cool.
As for why not be a CJ DJ. Final scratch has nothing to do with CD's. It is also not just spinning on a computer you have actual vinyl that you use on actual turn tables...what you do to the vinyl is done to the music...scratch, slow down, speed up, trainwreck;) ect.
Also you can have 10,000 + songs on one little 5 pound lap top vs 1000 CD's to carry around an keep in order...and un-scratched.
Final Scratch might not ever over take vinyl. However imagine having all those old schools songs you love... and can't get on vinyl any more only from MP3 down loads...available at your finger tips to spin into your set.
Lilcow
MOO :)
Tmouse
10-12-2002, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by Lilcow
:::Sits back and waits for T.mouse to come post:::
Lilcow
MOO :)
T.mouse posted...Now, I am waiting for more replies...Let the discussion begin...The moderator is watching...hehe!) I wish...hehe!)
Proximal
10-12-2002, 06:23 PM
yea i understand ur point lilcow... but at the same time... ud need to be a laptop! which is spensiveeeee!! Money wise cd djing is alot cheaper :). I wish i had all the money in the world for final scratch! ANd........... u can still get those old skool songs but on cdrs :)
candi_princess
10-12-2002, 06:45 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lilcow
As for why not be a CJ DJ. Final scratch has nothing to do with CD's. It is also not just spinning on a computer you have actual vinyl that you use on actual turn tables...what you do to the vinyl is done to the music...scratch, slow down, speed up, trainwreck;) ect.
Final Scratch might not ever over take vinyl. However imagine having all those old schools songs you love... and can't get on vinyl any more only from MP3 down loads...available at your finger tips to spin into your set.
good point lilcow, my friend has it ,and as for a lap top being to expensive, so is vinyl and technic 1200's. if you have the money for all that you can afford a lap top
DJ_EJ
10-12-2002, 06:47 PM
Only problem I see with it is the fact that MP3's sound like ass. The compression totaly craps out the quality of the music. So if you are mixing those and then throw a uncompressed wav file in or an actual vinyl or CD, then you are really going to tell the difference. Or at least it seems that way to me. T. Mouse, what's your experience? Any problems with this?
Tmouse
10-12-2002, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by Proximal
ud need to be a laptop!
Are you calling me a laptop??? THANKS!!!)
Yes you do need a laptop...That is, unless, you have a USB port on body in some form of fashion and a cd drive to load the software...Have we got to the point of Xistenze already???
Ok, all joking aside...YES, this is not the cheapest media to own...You have to have a computer of some sort to load the software and the hardware...If you are not playing out that much and dont have a ton of vinyl, this program is not for you...This program is a great tool...I enjoy mine more than anyone can imagine...Well, Tonal can, but that is a different story...hehe!) It is like buying your turntables...it is expensive, but it is an investment...That is the way to think about this program...
Another thing about the laptop, you do not have to use it just for this program...That would be more than underestimated mistake...Music programs are starting to lag behind the laptop advancement monster...More programs can be used on a laptop now...I know a bunch of djs that make on the road tracks and play them out the night they make them...With Final Scratch, you dont need to burn it to a cd to find out they dont have a cdj waiting for you...
A laptop is still a computer, not just a dj tool...
Tmouse
10-12-2002, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by DJ_EJ
T. Mouse, what's your experience? Any problems with this?
I have had only one file screw up...I found out later it was playing threw the phono side of the channel, and not the line side where it should have been...Other than that, it all goes down the compression of the track...If the downloaded (no, I do not support this totally...different thread) a track that is compressed below 128, it is going to sound like crap...I have 128, and 192 files in FS...I have had compliments on the sound quality...
DJ_EJ
10-12-2002, 06:59 PM
Well then, yea, if you've got tracks with a high enough bit rate, then it will be fine. But I'm sure alot of people wanting to use this are just planning on *borrowing* songs of teh intarweb. Most, due to size of the file for both hosting and for others to DL, are going to be compressed to a crappy bit rate. I guess it's just up to the person using it to make sure that their shit sounds good before playing it. Which I hope any DJ worth his or her salt would do anyway. It sounds like a great program to me if you think you will be getting good use out of it.
candi_princess
10-12-2002, 07:06 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tmouse
[B]Are you calling me a laptop??? THANKS!!!)
Ok, all joking aside...YES, this is not the cheapest media to own...You have to have a computer of some sort to load the software and the hardware...If you are not playing out that much and dont have a ton of vinyl, this program is not for you...This program is a great tool...I enjoy mine more than anyone can imagine...Well, Tonal can, but that is a different story...hehe!) It is like buying your turntables...it is expensive, but it is an
investment...That is the way to think about this program...
true it is an investment, a great one because if you add up the cost of all your pieces of vinyl(or the pieces you want to buy but can't really afford or can't find any more)( i know i'm the only dj with Rocky Horror Picture Show on vinyl) and you turntables as long as you didn't buy shitty ones in the long run this technology will save you a shit load of money!!!!!!!
Tmouse
10-12-2002, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by candi_princess
i know i'm the only dj with Rocky Horror Picture Show on vinyl)
Dont bet on that...I know of ten in the atlanta area that own Rocky Horror and are dj's...
You are correct...This is a tool for all the djs that dont want to carry a crap load of vinyl to and from a gig...Case and point is all right here... (http://www.finalscratch.com/fs2/articles/20020419.asp)
candi_princess
10-12-2002, 07:30 PM
let me clarify that i own one of the original pieces from when the movie came out, cover in mint condition as well as the vinyl
very good points were brought up in here. My idea on this is ...
I think its a great piece of technology... but 2 things: 1.) I'm not
sure if everyone is ready for it... 2.) I don't like it too much..
1.) I think this might be a little bit a head of its time. I'm sure
we'll see somepeople using final scratch.. but I don't think it is
really going to pick up.
2.) I really am into the whole having a DJ with skill like 'seduce'
a crowd... so, when you look at final scratch it really is a step
ahead on technologies side of spinning than the human side.
I fear that one day ... there won't be DJs ... everything will be
some computer that has 1,000's of MP3s just playing and
automixing basically... and we all know that that is not too far
fetched at the moment. So, I don't like it just because my fear
of losing the DJ's .. :(
Otherwise its a great and fascinating piece of technology.
Tmouse
10-12-2002, 08:12 PM
Final Scratch does not automate a damn thing...You still have to be a read dj to use it...Either you can mix or you cant...A program is not going to do all the work for you; especially FS....
Lilcow
10-12-2002, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by AvB
I really am into the whole having a DJ with skill like 'seduce'
a crowd... so, when you look at final scratch it really is a step
ahead on technologies side of spinning than the human side.
I fear that one day ... there won't be DJs ... everything will be
some computer that has 1,000's of MP3s just playing and
automixing basically... and we all know that that is not too far
fetched at the moment. So, I don't like it just because my fear
of losing the DJ's .. :(
Otherwise its a great and fascinating piece of technology.
Do you really know how Final Scratch works???? You CAN NOT auto mix with it.
Here is the basic's....
What you need:
Two Turntables..
Two specially made Final Scratch records....YES those little round pieces of vinyl we all love
A special adapter cord between the turntables/mixer/laptop
Final Scratch Software
One DJ
What you do:
Hook all the hardware up and install software. Load a bunch of songs on to lap top.
Dj places FS records on the turntables. Selects first song to spin...cues record an releases. As the record spins the song from the laptop plays. DJ finds song to mix in with. Cue second record...just like you normally do... releases record at right time and you have great HAND DONE MIX....mess up that mix and you have a goof old fashion trainwreck. First record comes to a end and you repeat the mixing process all over again...BY HAND with VINYL.
The only technoligy is were the music is stored...on the lap top not the grooves of the vinyll. As I said before what you do to the vinyl is done the the song/mix. Yes there are programs out there that can auotmix....which for that you don't even need turntables. However FS is NOT THAT KIND OF SOFTWARE...you still need turntables, a mixer, good songs, and a DJ who knows how to mix. FS will NEVER make a bad DJ sound good no matter how hard they try.
Lilcow
MOO :)
Tmouse
10-12-2002, 08:13 PM
What have I told you about those psychic thoughts??? hehe!)
Lilcow
10-12-2002, 08:14 PM
Hey T.mouse....My re-ply was better :p
Smoochies
Sweetie Cow
Tmouse
10-12-2002, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by candi_princess
let me clarify that i own one of the original pieces from when the movie came out, cover in mint condition as well as the vinyl
please dont take offense...Your statement was very vain, but I meant my comment in jest, not to offend...
arrg! I know how FS works... but I'm saying that in the near future
i think its very well possible that there will be the technology to
auto-mix.
Tmouse
10-13-2002, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by AvB
arrg! I know how FS works... but I'm saying that in the near future
i think its very well possible that there will be the technology to
auto-mix.
There is programs out there now that do automixing...Final Scratch does not do automixing of any sort...You have to MIX the songs yourself using the time striped records...
AvB, sorry for Lilcow crass response...She does not think about what she is posting...hhehe!)
ALRIGHT! Here goes.... this is what Final Scratch does... it maps
out an MP3 on a vinyl. Durrr..... I read about it months before it
came out. I thought it was pretty cool... My point earlier was that
it was losing an element.... you won't need to buy vinyl anymore.
I would only use FS if I had my own stuff that I created on MP3
and didn't want to get it pressed. Its almost going towards CD
mixing.. you can just burn stuff on CDs... I know that FS does
require the same skillz as mixing without it... you have to
beatmatch. [/rant]
Proximal
10-14-2002, 01:18 AM
I see what AVB is saying... but no computer will ever be able to have the mind of a human...do tricks like a human or "FEEL A CROWD LIKE A HUMAN"
besides alot of ppl that dont know much abouthe music are very connected to the "DJ" himself the actual figure! We all know this...and we all know a few ppl that look good who cant mix :) anywho.....
Tmouse
10-14-2002, 01:20 AM
Originally posted by AvB
[/rant]
Where is that vB code button on here??? hehe!)
By the way you were describing FS, it sounded like you not fully informed of what it can or can not do...I was merely making sure you did know exactly...I now understand your point of the discussion now...Yes, things in the dj world are changing...You have take in consideration of all the concepts and product releases that were said to do away with vinyl...The CDJ-1000s was said to be the murder of a turntable...This is not the case at all...If anything, FS is going to be a big deternant in the dj cd player market...Come to think about it PCDJ is a very understated program...It is extremely limited, yet it can hold all the .mp3 filed on a computer and can be controlled with an outboard controller...In a side tangent, FS is the same concept...The main difference is that it comes with its own controller; two pieces of vinyl...
laffingbuddah
10-14-2002, 01:24 PM
I thought it came with three pieces of vinyl. But who cares, this is the best thing to happen to djing. It will get rid of all the posers who spin cds and brag about being a dj. I am saving my money to get it right now.
As for a computer program that will automix. Who would gotto a party with no djs. That is lame.
Rock on Final Scratch.
Tmouse
10-14-2002, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by laffingbuddah
I thought it came with three pieces of vinyl.
It does come with three, but you can only use two at one time...
laffingbuddah
10-14-2002, 05:04 PM
smart ass :moon: :D
Tmouse
10-15-2002, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by laffingbuddah
smart ass :moon: :D
Yep...I am waiting for you to tell me something new...
extalin
10-15-2002, 04:35 AM
Originally posted by Proximal
I see what AVB is saying... but no computer will ever be able to have the mind of a human...do tricks like a human or "FEEL A CROWD LIKE A HUMAN"
besides alot of ppl that dont know much abouthe music are very connected to the "DJ" himself the actual figure! We all know this...and we all know a few ppl that look good who cant mix :) anywho.....
werd!! at some point when i have enough practice, material, and gear i want to play at parties, but what i want to do is more of a live P/A / mixing (stuff i compose and stuff i didnt do) and i know that is only one side of it. A party is about having fun, and when you are the entertainer you have to account for more than just the music side. You have to work the crowd, and just like Proximal said, a computer is never going to be able to "feel a crowd". Anyone can set up a premixed set and let it play, but im pretty sure that a crowd at a party would much rather experience a live performance by one of their own kind (i.e. not a computer). I doubt partygoers will ever accept a performance that requires no skill (i.e. automixed set). So in my opinion, you should learn the new tools that are becoming available and use them to your advantage resulting in you being able to deliver a much better experience to the partygoer while using just as much if not more skill in the process due to the new technology you took advantage of.
-robert
Proximal
10-15-2002, 10:15 AM
nice one brotha!
Tmouse
10-15-2002, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by extalin
werd!! at some point when i have enough practice, material, and gear i want to play at parties, but what i want to do is more of a live P/A / mixing (stuff i compose and stuff i didnt do) and i know that is only one side of it. A party is about having fun, and when you are the entertainer you have to account for more than just the music side. You have to work the crowd, and just like Proximal said, a computer is never going to be able to "feel a crowd". Anyone can set up a premixed set and let it play, but im pretty sure that a crowd at a party would much rather experience a live performance by one of their own kind (i.e. not a computer). I doubt partygoers will ever accept a performance that requires no skill (i.e. automixed set). So in my opinion, you should learn the new tools that are becoming available and use them to your advantage resulting in you being able to deliver a much better experience to the partygoer while using just as much if not more skill in the process due to the new technology you took advantage of.
-robert
This and Proxi's words are very true and on point about computers, but this is off the tangent of Final Scratch...Final Scratch itself still needs the human dj to make it work...There is really no way for it run the party all by itself...If that was the case, I would not have my copy of it...If anyone knows me well enough, I am all about the mix...Autopilot djs just make me want to sneak up to the booth, and flip the switch on them...
extalin
10-16-2002, 12:01 AM
i say hell yeah for final scratch. im actually going to look into that because most of what i do is going to reside on my computer, and i would love to be able to produce on the fly and have it ready to spin right away... even if you had a way to get all the vinyl you needed including pressing your own stuff, that still wouldnt give you the flexibility to go back and change something in a song you were going to spin that night. i think it gives a lot more freedom while still keeping the mixing side of things practically the same.
Tmouse
10-16-2002, 02:17 AM
That is really the concept behind it...There are other reasons for its developement as well...With all the stuff I have on cd already on my laptop, I have to get started on installing all the vinyl I have...Then, I can way back into the old school at the touch of a button...
Proximal
10-16-2002, 06:01 PM
Autopilot djs just make me want to sneak up to the booth, and flip the switch on them...
kinda like on airplane!!!!!! AH NOOO DONT KILLL THAT GUIY!
Tmouse
10-17-2002, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by Proximal
kinda like on airplane!!!!!! AH NOOO DONT KILLL THAT GUIY!
Autopilot Djs kill the mood...Autopilot on airplanes delivers humans to their final destination...heh!)
Be an airplane and take the crowd where they need to be; In the mix!!!!)
Originally posted by Tmouse
The moderator is watching...hehe!) I wish...hehe!)
*sits in shadows*
Tmouse
10-17-2002, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by Ecko
*sits in shadows*
That was in reference to me becoming a moderator for this message board...It was also in reference for me as in I have the product and use it a lot...
Glad to see you guys are out there though!!!!
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